So, I’m having a disagreement with a friend over the right for people like one-percenters to be treated with the same rights as any other American. Because I have some knowledge about the Bandits, they came up a lot, but the truth is, my opinions about this stretch to include any group of people who have exercised their right to join a group of like-minded people. His opinion is that because the Bandidos are labelled by law enforcement as an organized criminal organization, as well as a “gang”, they should not be afforded the courtesy of being treated with the same rights and privileges as the rest of the citizens of the US are granted. They shouldn’t be considered innocent until proven guilty; they shouldn’t expect that they not be harassed by law enforcement whenever they venture out in public; they shouldn’t expect there to be things like search warrants when their doors get kicked down, or traffic violations stated when they are pulled over by the police. You can read the conversation here:
The reason I bother addressing this disagreement at all is because it thoroughly wraps in a nice package exactly the danger of being naive about the world you live in. It is easy to say that anyone reputed to be criminals should forfeit their rights as Americans. After all, this guy has no interest in joining a motorcycle club. He believes wholeheartedly that the FBI doesn’t ever lie; he believes that law enforcement has the right to cut corners when it comes to groups of people he himself finds beneath the rest of us. This guy is no different than any of the rest of us. I don’t care for PETA much, but I would hardily oppose their rights being stomped on by law enforcement.
The problem with making excuses for people in authority over us when they trample the rights all Americans are granted by virtue of being born in this country is that some day, it might be the group you’re in that gets jerked around. One-percenters have cultivated their bad boy reputations, and that’s partly on them. But as long as they are Americans, and as long as it is not illegal to belong to groups that are made up of people with common beliefs, interests, and affinities, our justice system and all of its agents must do their jobs without stomping on our basic civil liberties. The police made some bad decisions awhile back. They decided it was okay to lie. They decided the ends justify the means, and now, several of the diverse groups I hang around with don’t trust them.
Be careful, America. Don’t be lulled into a false sense of security. I don’t believe that all police officers are our enemies, but I sure don’t think they are all my friends either.
~ Bird
14 responses to “Where Do We Draw The Line?”
Who are you referring to a one percenters? I’m not following your definition. It would be helpful for me understanding the post. Thx
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Kia, her reference to one percenters is about outlaw biker clubs. A statement was once made by the American Motorcycle Association that 99% of all motorcyclists were law-abiding citizens, implying the last one percent were outlaws.
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I’m sorry. I was confused. I understand now. Thx
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If you’re like me, the first thing I think of when I hear/read 1%ers, I immediately think about the rich 1%
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Yeah. Those bastards that employ most of us. Lol.
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lol… You guys made me laugh!
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Not a complete loss then.
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It means the groups of bikers who label themselves as the one percent of bikers who aren’t AMA certified as law-abiding. They are recognized usually by a three piece patch on the back of their vests, and a one-percent diamond on the front. Groups like the Outlaws, Mongols, Hell’s Angels, Bandidos are considered one-percenters. They complicate this mess because by definition, they label themselves as outlaws, but we as Americans are to be given due process…especially our criminals.
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I agree
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SMH – I still find it hard to believe that the Waco battle was started because of a patch.
I agree with you Bird about the 1%ers being entitled to the same rights as all citizens. Forgive me, Bird, but if your friend seriously believes the FBI never lies, he is what we call “a special kind of stupid.” The 1% MCs have only themselves to blame for their reputation with law enforcement, but that doesn’t mean they are any less entitled to the same rights as all citizens. Even the Mafioso, whom most people believe to be invulnerable, get due process when caught and tried.
Maybe your friend should read, and think about, the following poem written by Pastor Martin Niemoller about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis’ rise to power. I’m not calling him a coward, but asking him to think about a world where the police didn’t have to answer to anyone.
First They Came
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
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Beautiful, Myndrover!! That poem says it all!!!
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This subject is near and dear to my heart.. I’m work in corporate America, Monday through Friday and on the weekends you wouldn’t recognize me lol..The whole Waco massacre, and it was a massacre was a total violation of civil rights. Breaks my heart that there will be families without their loved ones during the holidays..they’re either in the ground or in jail. We got pulled over cuz the bag was covering the license plate..I almost had a panic attack..I was seriously scared. I do not trust the police..like you said there probably are good ones..but there are too many shoot first and settle in court later
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Couldn’t agree with you more, Cee!!
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